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		<title>ERM and the organization: Kevin&#8217;s response</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ian Glazer</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>A while back I had commented on consolidation in the role management world.  As I have said before, from product management and marketing perspectives, integrating a role management tool into an existing identity management suite is a no-brainer.  This is not to say that the implementation and deployment are no-brainers as well &#8211; so don&#8217;t [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A while back I had commented on <a href="http://www.tuesdaynight.org/2007/11/14/the-erm-world-is-getting-smaller-sun-to-acquire-vaau.html#comments">consolidation </a>in the role management world.  As I have said before, from product management and marketing perspectives, integrating a role management tool into an existing identity management suite is a no-brainer.  This is not to say that the implementation and deployment are no-brainers as well &#8211; so don&#8217;t get too excited <a href="http://roles-in-action.blogspot.com/2007/12/dialogue-on-enterprise-role-management.html">Greg</a> <img src='http://www.tuesdaynight.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   What is more interesting is where major vendors like Oracle and Sun will take enterprise roles management.
<p>I had also mentioned that it would be great for Kevin Kampman of Burton to weigh in on the subject, and sure enough, he <a href="http://identityblog.burtongroup.com/bgidps/2008/01/does-acquisitio.html">did</a>.  I am intrigued by his concept of &#8220;return on organization.&#8221; But to see this return it first requires identity management vendors to share this value proposition with the parts of the enterprise that really care; it forces IdM vendors to sell to &#8220;the business.&#8221;  Making identity management truly relevant to the entire business has always been one of IdM&#8217;s challenges.  Role management does present a new way of taking older topics to a new audience but I wonder if potential customers are ready to hear it.</p>
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